Friday, February 19, 2010

Instellar Housewife: 'Alien Healthcare and How I Got a Unicorn'

Deirdre's blog Interstellar Housewife has a good piece up: Alien Healthcare and How I Got a Unicorn on Interstellar Housewife. A funny yet meaty post (hmmm, well, never mind...)
Many in Exopolitics would have you believe that extra-terrestrials are visiting Earth and are waiting for us to get our shit together so we can be inducted into the Magical Galactic Federation of Enlightened Beings, Rainbows and Unicorns. They assume (and pretend to know) that actual UFOs are “alien” in nature , and the occupants are totally friendly. Ignoring the fact we have no real proof of the former (and I don't count hush-hush insider info as 'proof'), I say poppycock! If these aliens are really that friendly and concerned about our well being, then what's with all the kidnapping?
I do believe that aliens are here, have been here forever, and much of what's in those UFOs are ETs. That's almost a given, but so what? There's so much more surrounding the phenomena; but sorry, I'm going off on a rant here. Back to ISH. I'm in agreement with her on this; we don't know what the aliens (if they are aliens; not all of them are, maybe, possibly. . .) are really up to, and maybe they're not "up to" anything, except making us think they are. Another rant coming on, never mind. I share Deirdre's  opinion that it's an odd response to the alien presence to assume they're benign; that our fear or anxities or just being plain pissed off at their show at our expense! is our fault and our lack of understanding. Blaming the victim mentality. Anyway, visit ISH and read the article!


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8 comments:

Deirdre (Interstellar Housewife) said...

Thanks for your support, Regan <3

As far as the article, its something that has been on my mind for sometime and I wanted to focus a little more on it. Interestingly enough, today's Paratopia episode is about blowing the whistle on hypnosis where abduction claims are concerned. Should be interesting.

Anya said...

At the risk of, pardon the pun, "alienating" myself on this blog, how is this any different than any of the non-productive "Lets trash Salla and Greer and Wilcock and and and" bile that gets spewed around on any of the male-dominant sites re: anything having to do with "benevolence" of inter-dimensional or off-world beings?

Not very original or news-worthy or contributing to the continuum in any way shape or form.

She also has obviously never heard of galactic history, Zacharia Sitchen, Graham Hancock, Lloyd Pye, Mayan prophecy, our role in the cosmos, etc. etc.

Also: I've had a biopsy done before. It wasn't pleasant in the slightest. But it was for my own good. I've also had beings do medical procedures on me that have absolutely 100% helped me.

Have this lady try to wrap her lil' head around the fact that not only was it a transparent being, it was also a- get ready for it!- BENEVOLENT REPTILIAN! (Does such a thing even exist?) I literally had a slipped disc and he fixed it. True story. Surely he must have done it as a bait and switch, right?

Of course I am sure she will say it's "poppycock" or "feces" that it happened to me, but then again, she's RILL SMART AND KNOWS STUFF-- and stuff.

Anya said...

Just wanted to add for clarification: this "All aliens are bad" routine is just as - I will say it- retarded- as "All aliens are good". No one seems to be interested in nuance in the slightest, least of all me by using a provacative term like retarded, but sorry, it is.

If you think that people are ALL one way or another you are deluding yourself. Everything is on a spectrum, just as it is on a personality spectrum here on earth. I don't disagree with the fact that there are regressive ETs as there are benevolent- I've had encounters with both.

What gets me rankled is that this woman likes to put people in boxes just like she likes to put contactees and exopolitics and ETs in one big box.

Apparently women are no different than men in this field in being able to trash those who are sincerely just looking for truth.

I took personal offense at her mocking openly another aspect of this as she mentions "people crying on camera" describing their experience too- I don't know who specifically she is referring to, but if it's regarding contactees and experiencers, I literally know some of these people "crying on camera" whom she is referring to and consider them dear friends, so her "analysis" on a "slow news day" comes across as even more offensive and off-putting.

Sorry, Regan. You asked me to be a part of this! Are you sure you knew what you were getting yourself into? LOL I am a Royal Pain In The Ass as they say, lol

I want to make something clear: I am not pro-"All ETs are good" nor am I against "All ETs are bad" -- I am willing to acknowledge that maybe we on this planet are sitting ducks and it's all been a ruse!

But consider the viewpoint this woman shares and then flip it if it were all people she was talking about (that's how I consider the beings to be at any rate: some may not even have bodies and appear as a beam of light, but to me they are all just "people")-- what kind of world would you have if every single person you come across was treated the way this woman treats her detractors? Is that really the kind of world you want to live in?

A little compassion is in order, methinks. Even if these "All ETs are benevolent/exopolitics/etc" types are deluding themselves, she's kind of shooting fish in a barrel here while simultaneously throwing the baby out with the bath water. Tsk tsk.

Deirdre (Interstellar Housewife) said...

Anya-

I have heard of Sitchin, Graham Hancock, Lloyd Pye, and Mayan Prophecy. I've even read Sitchin. I just don't necessarily agree with their opinions or translation of Sumerian and Mayan artifacts. Also, my site is not a "news" site so therefore it doesn't really need to be "newsworthy". It is a blog in which I talk about things that interest me or things that bother me and I put them in a satirical light. Satirical to some and (obviously) offensive to others. You don't agree -- and that's fine.

I have never disputed that people have had positive experiences with beings. I was pointing out that a good many people have reported negative experiences. I also stated that to my knowledge, I am not an abductee and asked those who were, to tell me of their experiences -- because I *don't* have all of the answers. If you're looking for a site that pushes your line of thinking without argument or criticism there's plenty out there – just use your little Google fingers.

It does bother me that so many have reported horrifying experiences with contact or actual abduction, and this was what I was feeling out. In no way was I saying that all of the positive experiences people have had with meeting extra-terrestrial or dimensional beings were false. If i believed that I wouldn't have asked for anyone's take on the matter. I don't agree that aliens are necessarily here to help us. I also don't agree that they are necessarily here to harm us. Or even that there's only one type of alien out there.

Also, the view in much of exopolitics (from what I have read) is that abduction “isn't happening” or it is being perceived wrong (and I've even heard it said that those having poor experiences with abduction 'deserved' it). That bothers me and is where the post stemmed from. My feelings about Greer, Wilcock and all of the other 'key' players in the exo movement are based on the numerous empty promises, hoaxed photos, and as I mentioned, the secret insider information that is never really substantiated. So If I spew a little of my own anger and frustration out regarding them, I think I'm within my right.

Anya, you've taken the time to write up your feelings about my article, and for that I am glad, because discussion is good, whether in agreement or disagreement. But to misunderstand me and try to throw a few limp-armed jabs my way because you haven't been paying attention, is not my fault.

And I'm not sure the point you were trying to make with your comment implying that my my piece was no different than the “non-productive 'Lets trash Salla and Greer and Wilcock and and and' bile that gets spewed around on any of the male-dominant sites.” Because I am a woman, must I not have thoughts or opinions that are inline with men? Do I risk being ostracized from the women's community? While I would consider that indeed poppycock, I real wouldn't want to be lumped into either camp exclusively. Especially one that through passive aggressive attacks, would want to dictate how I should carry myself or what I should say.

By the way, what do my opinions about exopolitics (or anything in this field, for that matter), have to do with me being 'ril smart'? I have a differing opinion and am therefore stupid? But if you must, by all means – take your dolls and go home.

Deirdre (Interstellar Housewife) said...

My responses are below Anya's quoted paragraphs:

“If you think that people are ALL one way or another you are deluding yourself. Everything is on a spectrum, just as it is on a personality spectrum here on earth. I don't disagree with the fact that there are regressive ETs as there are benevolent- I've had encounters with both.”

You've missed my point entirely. I do not think things can be seen as all good or all bad when dealing with an alien mind. There are undoubteldy so-called 'good' ET's out there. I was arguing against peole who say all ETs are good. Not that I was saying they are all “bad”. And I was arging aganst the people who denounce the bad experiences people have experienced as 'untrue' or a 'product of their own imagination'. I was siding with the experiencers there, not picking on them. This whole thign wasnt aimed at experiencers, proper, but at how often exoplotics dismisses those.

“What gets me rankled is that this woman likes to put people in boxes just like she likes to put contactees and exopolitics and ETs in one big box. 

Apparently women are no different than men in this field in being able to trash those who are sincerely just looking for truth.”

If you think that all of the 'leaders' in ufology or esoterica are sincerely looking for the truth, I would wager you are very wrong.

“I took personal offense at her mocking openly another aspect of this as she mentions "people crying on camera" describing their experience too- I don't know who specifically she is referring to, but if it's regarding contactees and experiencers, I literally know some of these people "crying on camera" whom she is referring to and consider them dear friends, so her "analysis" on a "slow news day" comes across as even more offensive and off-putting.”

Again, I wasnt mocking or picking on contactees! I was picking on exopolitical leaders who have used tears to to draw sympathy when they have been busted in a lie. Or they are having difficulty gettng their agenda across to people who dispute them.

“I want to make something clear: I am not pro-"All ETs are good" nor am I against "All ETs are bad" -- I am willing to acknowledge that maybe we on this planet are sitting ducks and it's all been a ruse!”

This is almost exactly what I was saying: My post was arguing about people who think all ET's are good and disrgard the terrible experinces other abductees/contactees have been through.

“But consider the viewpoint this woman shares and then flip it if it were all people she was talking about (that's how I consider the beings to be at any rate: some may not even have bodies and appear as a beam of light, but to me they are all just "people")-- what kind of world would you have if every single person you come across was treated the way this woman treats her detractors? Is that really the kind of world you want to live in?”

What the Hell are you talking about? I think you've completely misread my post. Except the part where I was criticizing exopolitics, which I was.

“A little compassion is in order, methinks. Even if these "All ETs are benevolent/exopolitics/etc" types are deluding themselves, she's kind of shooting fish in a barrel here while simultaneously throwing the baby out with the bath water. Tsk tsk.”

I'm not entirely sure how others have grasped what I was talking about, but you have not. I do recommend re-reading it considering what I have explained above and in my other reply.

I make no apologies for my opinions or the way in which I deliver them. I have never pretended to know exactly what is going on, and like many others (and I assume yourself included) I'm trying to find my way through all of this and figure out what really *is* going on.

Anya said...

No, I get you, lady! I get you just fine. Please feel free to name names when you are talking about "those in exopolitics who have used tears when they were caught in a lie" instead of lumping us all together. I am an experiencer, I am a contactee, I am also deeply involved with exopolitics. Do I agree with everything that comes out of anyone's mouth in that field? No!

Also, what I meant by your response being the same as the male-dominant construct that people typically espouse, is that you align yourself with negativity and making fun of people! You do! Your article was offensive! It's a "slow news day", right?

Members of exopolitics are in a spectrum and you just said that you think ALL of it is "feces"-- so that includes contactees as well, because by proxy, we are a part of the "politics" of ufology. And n'air the twain shall meet, apparently.

You perceive this as a fight and then proceeded to say that I was making a few "limp armed jabs" at you. Calling the kettle black much? I don't care what your opinions are plus minus or otherwise, but you were clearly lumping whole strata of the "community" of exopolitics together- I consider myself a part of exopolitics I don't think it's bullshit, it's very much a part of my day to day reality-- and you flat out put the gloves on from the get go by saying it was "all" feces. I'm not the one here to fight, you are.

THIS is the kind of argument you will find anywhere on the web, this "she said she said" back and forth that I find exceptionally tedious and you are fueling it further. Does the dialogue really become enriched by yet another negative comment about exopolitics and its myriad of haters? You were most definitely lumping anyone who was associated with exopolitics into the crapper.

You go on to say

"I was siding with the experiencers there, not picking on them. This whole thign wasnt aimed at experiencers, proper, but at how often exoplotics dismisses those."

But never having been an experiencer, you assign yourself the task that those who have been abducted have had overwhelmingly traumatic experiences, aka The Party Line.

YES some of them are traumatic, but not ALL people in exopolitics (the term you mock consistently throughout the article) deny the negative ET experiences. If you must be condemning, then be precise. Name names if you don't want to be misunderstood. Because I can be an experiencer AND be in exopolitics at the same time.

And I got news for ya honey: YOU are in exopolitics too, by discussing the very topic! You have become the very thing you hate!

The "rill smart" comment was directed at your abject arrogance on the matter, which is what it is. Don't assume anything (which you do much of throughout the article, an article designed to make ALL people in exopolitics look like assholes), especially when your ideas are so half-formed that anyone could assume anything they wanted about whomever you are referring to.

By "people in exopolitics not acknowledging that abductees are having the trauma they say they are having" you have successfully lumped us all into one big cesspool.

Just food for thought, not a boxing match.

Deirdre (Interstellar Housewife) said...

This is too long for one comment so I will have to use to comment posts for it.


Anya -

First I want to address what I mean when I say 'people in Exopolitics”. See, I'm not writing a thesis or an article in Science Journal (or any magazine for that matter), so a bibliography and total clarification on each statement I make is usually not something I'm worried about.

1. Because it hasn't often come up before

and

2. Because my site is geared more towards a humor-angle, while occasionally throwing in some seriousness and addressing things I'm actually wondering about. It's not for everyone, but I like it, as do others, and so I continue.

I don't have any goal to make some ground-breaking points, because after all, this is just one woman's journal and not an actual manifesto.

When I discuss Exopolitics, UFOlogy or even American Politics. I am almost always referring to the prominent figures – not everyone involved. I could name names each time, but that can become tedious. So instead, I try to explain that I do not believe 'everyone' involved with [insert movement here] is in agreement with the most visible and vocal within that movement. I did note this in my article.

For your satisfaction:

In my post, I was speaking more or less of Greer, Wilcock, Salla, Dean & Peterson. I am well aware that everyone involved does not align their beliefs with these individuals.

The 'tearing up' comment was based on debates, interviews and conferences I have seen in the past. Including one in particular where I saw Greer 'well up'. I got the same kind of feeling from him in that moment that I got when I saw Jim Baker and other evangelists bringing on the tears to invoke public sympathy when it suited them. I've read and watched so much of this stuff that I don't have specific debates for you to review. Regardless, I was definitely not speaking of an experiencer who unleashed their emotions in tears over the impact of their experience. Not at all.

When I say the "Exopolitics is crap" I mean: We do not have enough information that tells us that what we are dealing with are certainly extra-terrestrials and that they are here for our benefit or to help us. I also think that as a movement, much of it is based on wishful thinking by some and (unfortunately) sometimes the lies of others, for their own personal agenda or gain, whatever that may be. And yes, of course there are people who have had legitimate experiences that are also involved with Exopolitics and aren't out to pull a fast one on Jane Q Public. But until I have substantial proof that what we are dealing with is actually extra-terrestrial in nature, I will probably always argue people who continue to tell the public that definitely *is* what's happening, without providing any real evidence.

When I mentioned 'feces', I was referring to the kinds of statements and claims made by the already named individuals. Here is a For Instance:

Greer posted a photo recently claiming it was of an extra-terrestrial taken while he was at Joshua Tree. The photo is a total fake. A composite of 2 separate images. I think that is crap.

Bob Dean, at some recent exo-function told the audience it is a fact that we were created by the Annunaki. I think that is crap.

Those are only two examples out of many, but those should give at least some idea of what I meant when I said "a lot of what they spew forth looks and smells an awful lot like feces."

Deirdre (Interstellar Housewife) said...

Maybe there really is a group of varying ET's out there visiting Earth, waiting for us to have our little paradigm shift and join them in the World of Tomorrow. Maybe I'm all kinds of wrong and this is all reality, complete with free-energy and Heinz' 57 varieties of ET's visiting our little blue world... but I don't think so.

And that's what my blog is about: what I think. But to clarify again, I am not and was not saying everyone involved with Exopolitics is crap. Only that I think the idea of Exopolitics is crap because it is mostly built on myth, hearsay and in some situations, pure fantasy.

And you're right. I did say I didn't think I was an abductee (though I do grapple with it). Despite that, I am most certainly an 'experiencer'. While calling myself one sounds weird to me, it is true, as I have experienced 'high-strangeness' my entire life and continue to do so on a fairly frequent basis. I also feel that my experiences are maybe tied to the same kind of phenomenon, so I do think that I am well within my right to search out the answers and to form my own opinions (which I do not believe are 'malformed' as you say).

I can only imagine the frustration that some experiences – particularly abductees – have when people who haven't had the same experience they have, voice opinions about it that seem totally 'off' and ignorant. I know that would probably upset me, as well. But as far as my own plight is concerned and my own search for 'the truth' I can only operate and form opinions based on what I have experienced or what others have relayed to me directly, through interviews, or written word. The positive experiences of people were not in dispute or part of my post. My post was based on the testimony of abductees I have met as well as what I just mentioned above, who have been subjected to some very frightening scenarios.

There is no pot calling any kettle anything. You are of course free to poke at me as I poke at anyone else. I commented on the jab because I believed you had based it on a misunderstanding of what I was writing about and I still believe that was the case. I don't find it unbelievable that you had an experience and that some entity fixed your slipped disc. As I have said – my post was not about those kinds of experiences, but more looking for insight into why people are having poor ones and why the opinion of 'many' in exopolitics (Greer, Salla, Dean, Wilcock, etc., etc ) tend to discredit or ignore the topic.

It is in my best interest to try and inform people when I feel they have misunderstood me, which I have attempted to do in these responses. I do wish it had been more clear that I was not calling everyone in Exopolitics an 'asshole' or insinuating they were insincere -- and if I have one regret here, it is that. But we've both explained ourselves more than once and haven't gotten very far. This has the probability of ending up as one of those “she-said she-said” arguments you mentioned – and I have no desire to continually run around this circle with you.

I am going to continue on with my blog and my opinions on Exopolitics and its leaders, as well as many other topics. I'm also unlikely to change how I stylize my writing or how I word things on my little slice of the web. I've no doubt I will offend others, but I will deal with that when I get there.

So that's about it. I'm done. See you 'round the galaxy, love.

~Deirdre